good morning. i'm chris jansing. tensions are rising on capitol hill this morning. day four of the shutdown as shaken members of congress get back to business after yesterday's shooting. congress came to a screeching halt after that chaotic high-speed police chase from the white house to capitol hill that ended when police fatally shot the driver, a mother whose baby was also in the car. a capitol hill police officer was injured. that incident raising new questions today about mental health treatment and we'll have more on that coming up. but capitol police got a standing ovation from congress when congress reconvened but those officers might prefer a paycheck. their salaries are suspended, even as they put their lives on the line during a shutdown. also this morning, word john

boehner is cooking up a new strategy to help get republicans get out of this mess and avoid default. as one side waits for the other to blink, check out this open mic moment between senator minority leader mitch mcconnell and fellow kentucky senator rand paul. >> i just didn't see an end. i go over and over again, we're willing to compromise, we're willing to negotiate. i don't think we poll tested we won't negotiate. i think it's awful for them to say that over and over again. >> i do too. i just came back from a two-hour meeting with him and that was basically the same view privately as it was publicly. >> i think if we keep say we wanted to defund it, we fought for that but now we're willing to compromise on that, i think -- well, i know we don't want to be here, but we're going to win this, i think. >> while they try to win, the real-life losses and impacts pile up. the christian science monitor reporting because of fda furloughs, 91% of sea foods that americans eat will be not

inspected. in south carolina, the shutdown is affecting the state's military readiness. drilling for thousands of guardsmen has been cancelled. and in southern california, today's miramar air show is off and that will deal a blow to the local economy. those are just a few examples. i want to bring in matt welch and amanda terkel. good morning. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> i don't know if you saw this new poll out this morning. 72% of americans disapprove of the government shutdown. i don't know what else 72% of americans agree on. is that, matt, what is spurring john boehner to try to do something to get out of this mess? >> i would hope so, yeah. the other thing that 72% of americans agree on is that they don't like to hike the debt ceiling without conditions to cut spending, which means that the republicans had a great hand to play, which they immediately squandered. >> so they muddied it or squandered it? >> they have muddied it for sure and i fear they squandered it. remember back in january, there

were three deadlines back then too in march. sequester, continuing resolution and debt ceiling. john boehner separated them out, delayed the debt ceiling thing and put democrats on the defensive. it was a great strategy then. but then republicans refused to negotiate after they passed their budget in the house with the democrats who passed their budget in the senate. they didn't follow up on the deal. so that's why we are at the moment that we're at right now. >> let's talk about what's been going on there on the hill. all those reports about that closed-door meeting between john boehner and republicans. and he apparently told them that he will not allow the government to go into default. so does that mean if not a grand bargain and they seem to be very skittish about using that term now, some sort of broader negotiations here? >> well, i think that john boehner is now starting to feel pressure not only from sort of the tea party wing of the republican party but also the moderates, those who are in districts that do contain more democrats and independents. people who are really upset about the shutdown and really

don't see that defunding obama care is the most important thing. and so he has assured them, reports say, that he will not let the government go into default, even if it means passing something that has a minority of the republican party but then also has quite a few democrats, that way it can get through the house. it won't make many people in the more conservative wing of his party happy, but it could save the country from defaulting on its debt. >> in the meantime the obama administration has been trying to put more pressure on republicans too. i'm sure you saw the op-ed from treasury secretary jack lew in "usa today." and yesterday afternoon the president who was at the manufacturing plant took aim at speaker boehner for not getting the government open again. >> the only thing that's preventing all that from happening right now today, in the next five minutes, is that speaker john boehner won't even let the bill get a yes or no vote. because he doesn't want to anger

the extremists in his party. >> if indeed, matt, where we are now is that we seem to be moving closer to a deal, is it because the moderates in the republican party seem to be holding some sway that they didn't maybe even just two or three days ago? >> it's because republicans haven't had a plan b. ted cruz didn't have -- didn't have this war gamed out. what happens when democrats don't blink, what do we do now? so republicans have been in disarray on this question. and we saw great reporting in "the new york times" about back door meetings with mitch mcconnell just screaming at ted cruz. and so there's going to be pressure. you don't want to be on the wrong side of a 72% number in american politics, period. and they're doing that and they're doing it again in such a way that hurts their leverage in doing things like negotiating things about the debt ceiling or in tinkering around with reforming obama care. so i think that it's not just moderates, it's people who don't want to be on the other side of this kind of losing battle. >> and we saw all this activity yesterday in a bad way on

capitol hill. i mean people were clearly rattled, amanda. it's only been a few weeks since the navy yard shooting, obviously the very deadly shooting. there was a tweet that's getting some attention from arkansas republican tim griffin and he seemed to imply some connection between the shots fired and the tension inside the capitol. stop the violent rhetoric, president obama, chuck schumer and nancy pelosi, #disgusting. that was deleted a little bit later but it does raise the question is he now in the minority? is the tension moving congress closer to a deal? >> yeah. that was a pretty stupid tweet. and he did later apologize for it. but saying -- you know, implying that they were tied to this shooting before he knew anything about what happens happening was just very ill-advised. john boehner is in a very tough position and administration officials say that they are not interested in negotiating with him on a continuing resolution to reopen the government or on

the debt ceiling because quite honestly they don't really know what the republican party wants. the republican party has actually admitted, many members have admitted that they don't really -- they want something but don't really know what it is. ted cruz seems like he would be a pretty bad chess player. he's made this one move but he has no strategy to eventually topple the queen. so right now the democrats are very unified. they want a clean cr and they want to raise the debt limit, no negotiations. the republicans, though, need to sort of get their act together and sort of figure out in which direction they're going. >> i want to bring in house minority whip steny hoyer. good to see you, congressman, good morning. >> good to be with you. >> where do we stand from your perspective right now? is congress any closer to ending this shutdown? >> well, i think the american people are certainly demanding that congress act responsibly and the question is are we any closer to responsibility. but we're in a very ironic situation here. you've got republicans saying on both the house and the senate side that it's really obama

wants the government to shut down, democrats want the government to shut down, which is patently absurd. but then they keep government shut down. so it's very confusing. and then as your reporter just said, let me read you something from representative marlon stutzman, a new republican from indiana. we're not going to be disrespected. we have to get something out of this. and i don't know what that even is. now, it's very difficult to -- >> that is getting a lot of play but it does point to the problem, doesn't it, congressman, about where the two sides stand. i guess my question is how do you get to the point where the american people can say, thank god, they finally got their act together and the government is up and running again? let me play if i can, there's been all this talk about some broader dole. this is what marsha blackburn said just a few minutes ago on "the daily rundown." >> we look at the debt ceiling

and do have to look at tax reform and entitlement reform. maybe we're at the point where we need to roll the cr and debt ceiling discussions together and say let's look at this long term. >> is that where we're heading, rolling the cr and the debt ceiling discussion together? >> that's absurd on its face. and i think the congresswoman must know that. we have 14 days until the american debt limit is reached and america will default if we don't take action. nobody in their right mind believes we can get to the kind of big deal that i am for, that bowles-simpson, gang of six, all those names worked on a bipartisan big deal to get us on a fiscally sustainable path. i'm for that. we -- no, no, no, let me finish. we've been negotiating that now for three years. i've been very intensely involved in those negotiations. and very frankly, every time we get to one half, that is

revenues, and away from entitlements, away from cuts and spending, the republicans walk away from the table. you can't get there from here without doing that. and i think that those of us who are for a big deal welcome those negotiations, but it's very simple to do that. the president said he would do it, harry reid said he would do it. we'll do it. now, where do you do that? well, we have two different numbers on the budget. one is a house number and one is a senate number. we need to go to conference and we need to talk about a big deal. we need to talk about how resolving our differences and getting our country on a fiscally sustainable path. but the republicans for six months now have refused to do that. now we come to the point where the issue is shutting down government, which is stupid, and defaulting on our national debt which john boehner and all of us would think would be a very catastrophic policy and yet republicans stay stuck in the mud and don't know what they want. >> if you're not going to roll

together a clean cr and the debt ceiling conversation, there were 20 members of both parties who have signed on to a proposal to reopen the government, finance it for six months and repeal the tax on medical devices. is there anything that can be given, any kind of compromise that can happen just to get that cr done? >> look, i think compromise can happen, but the longer the republicans have held hostage the affordable care act, the less time we've had to get there. yes, i think compromise is possible, but as charlie dent, one of those republicans to which you refer said yesterday, they don't have to be in the same package. let's open up the government. that can be done this morning. that can be done, as president obama said, by john boehner putting the bill on the floor and the republicans say they want to get government open. hurray, we do too. let's have a unanimous vote. it won't be a unanimous vote but every democrat will vote to open the government today.

then i think every democrat will vote to make sure that the involvement doesn't default on its debt. then when we get those two critically important issues so that the whole country is not roiled by those, sit down at the table and rationally discuss what our bipartisan plans that are on the table to get us to a fiscally sustainable big deal, this country ought to do that. i'm for doing that. democrats are prepared to sit down and republicans say they're prepared to sit down. let's do it. >> minority whip steny hoyer. great to have you on the program, sir. thank you. >> thank you. >> so, matt, you've got marsha blackburn there, you've got -- you heard what steny hoyer said. you have that off-mike conversation which we haven't even talked about where it's clear that at least the gentlemen from kentucky think they have the winning message here, that the democrats have made a mistake and didn't maybe properly vet their talking points. >> but they also acknowledge we don't want to be here.

that doesn't necessarily auger that they're in a great position because they're not in a great position. that's why rand paul is talking about let's appoint a conference committee to talk about the continuing resolution, but five months ago rand paul was against a conference committee on harmonizing the budget proposals. i think the jansing plan is going to probably work here, where you have a six-month kind of kick it down the road and get something very, very minor, like row peel of the medical devices tax, which is something that actually has bipartisan support on it. >> but also gives the republicans something to say, look, we didn't like this and we got something. this wasn't for naught. >> i've seen persuasive argument that president obama is going to need to heparilp republicans ou their own mess because they don't know how to get out of it themselves. and then at the end we should note as a country that we've kept federal spending flat, which has been a republican goal now for the last several goals. they have actually successfully

done it with these continuing resolutions and with where the budget number is between the two plans. it's $3.5 trillion, $3.7 trillion. i'm pretty sure you can get a number in between those two and hopefully we'll be doing that pretty soon. >> is that where this is heading, do you think, amanda? there's going to have to be something? this is not going to be a clean cr? >> what you could also see is something like what john boehner originally proposed, which was a clean cr coupled with a promise to vote on something that republicans care about, like defunding obama care. but sort of separate from the cr. and many republicans, though, initially rejected that thinking they could get something better because they were egged on by ted cruz. but i think it's becoming clear that they may not get something better than a promise of a vote. so you could see something -- you could sort of come back to the beginning and the end of this. >> amanda terkel, thanks to you. matt, always great to have you here, appreciate it. have a great weekend, both of you. some fema workers that were on furlough have been recalled

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this morning investigators are still looking into the background and motive of the 34-year-old woman who led police in d.c. on a wild car chase, unnerving a city still on edge from the deadly navy yard shooting just weeks ago. so much of this story is out of the ordinary, including who was behind the wheel. a dental hygienist with her

young daughter right there in the back seat. friends and family of miriam carey say they are stunned. joining me now, nbc analyst clint van zandt. good morning, clint. >> good morning, chris. >> we heard from pete williams this morning that investigators discovered some indication that this young mother believed she was being stalked by president obama. what's your take based on what we know so far? >> well, so far there's a number of things going on. there has been suggestions that she is suffering from postpartum depression, which obviously wouldn't make her necessarily do something erratic, but it could contribute to it, that she had a recent head injury that may have caused some type of physical trauma as well as this delusion. as we know, a delusion is a false belief system held despite evidence to the contrary, in this case the president was stalking her. her relatives had no idea she was coming to washington, d.c., making this 270-mile trip on her

own with her infant daughter inside the car. so there's a lot of questions unanswered. but chris, one more time, just like you covered almost three weeks ago, the shooting at the d.c. navy yard, one more time we have someone with apparently an obvious mental health condition that perhaps went untreated that may have contributed to this act of violence. >> and in both cases people hearing voices. but what can be done? we've heard a lot. gun legislation didn't go very far after the series of mass shootings, but there has still been some limited talk of what can be done about the mental health situation in the united states. what can be done? can someone like her sort of be seen and treated? can somebody intervene before it gets to the point of violence? >> well, you know, one thing of course we have to know is that the vast majority of people with any type of mental health

condition do not commit an act of violence. even worst case scenario, paranoid schizophrenic, for example, they more likely to commit an act against themselves as opposed to against someone else, but realize, chris, probably in the last 20 or 30 years the number of beds that were available in this country to treat mental illness has probably dropped 50%, 75% or more as we mainstream people. we think we're going to give them a handful of pills and tell them to go out and everything is going to be all right. doesn't work that way. as much as we take hard looks at the almost 300 million guns in this country, we need to take a hard look at the number of walking wounded. this is not necessarily from war, this is someone who has multiple issues going on in their life. how do we get them treatment and how do we know that they keep taking that treatment? not that they're going to hurt someone, but that we have an obligation to help them as a society. >> and there was another example of that. i don't know if you saw this video. this incident happened a few

months ago, but we're just seeing the dramatic video of a father of three, he's got kids in his car. he gets pulled over on a routine traffic stop in oregon. they ask him to get back in the car and he just starts shooting. there's a 10, a 13 and 15-year-old in his car. i mean then he takes off. we don't know why this guy fired, but are we missing all the red flags out there? that's unbelievable. >> i think once again with that guy, i saw the same video and my heart went out for that trooper. as i saw the guy get out of his car, he's got his right hand behind his back and everything inside of me just says gun, gun, the guy's got a gun and then he comes out with it. so the number of people that endanger their own children because of mental health conditions just rises and rises. if you're going to commit a terrible act like that with your child in a car, one way or the oar, you obviously have something going on and you need

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those long days and long nights on capitol hill are apparently too much for one lawmaker. representative louie goemer was in the middle of an hour-long speech and then the camera pans up and it appears, do we have the video? it appears representative george -- do we have it? there -- no, that's not it. there he is. he's sleeping, head in hand. then he sees the camera is on him, opens his eyes, caught red handed. some folks calling congressional offices have been surprised when the member of congress actually picks up the phone. widespread furloughs are leaving lawmakers with no aides to help them and extra time on their hands, so some of them are answering their own phones, answering e-mails, even giving tours. and while the government is shut down, the department of defense has decided football will not be. army, navy, air force will all now play this weekend. most of the games are sold out.

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nolan of minnesota has introduced a bill that would block congressional pay until the government reopens. now, "the washington post" says as of yesterday afternoon at least 123 members are already refusing pay, but that's far from a majority. >> i would support a resolution to withhold our pay until the other federal workers were pack on the payroll and the government was back in operation. >> do you agree with representative john yarmuth who said i would support a bill that we should not get paid. >> undoubtedly. >> are you going to continue to take your salary? >> yes, i'm going to continue to take my salary. >> republican congressman renee ellmers said i need my paycheck, that's the bottom line. i understand that there may be some other members who are deferring their paychecks and ike that's admirable. i'm not in that position. i want to bring in political analyst and grio.com contributor zerlina maxwell and chris wilson. good morning.

>> good morning. >> here's the current salary for rank and file members of the house, $174,000 per year. that's about $3300 a week. when you've got 800,000 workers who are furloughed because congress can't pass a budget, should they get paid? >> no, they should not get paid. these furloughed workers are making the average american salary so they cannot go without paychecks. the idea that republicans in the house that forced this government to shut down and are taking home paychecks during the shutdown, that is ridiculous. i think most americans would agree they should give the money back. >> "the new york times" calls it, chris, phony self denial. almost half of the 535 members of congress are millionaires. their median net worth, $966,000. almost a million bucks. compare that to less than $67,000 median net worth for the typical american family. how would you characterize what's going on? >> well, i think it's the right decision to not get paid. but i want to point out there's

a bit of a scam going on here. there's a big difference between those saying they're deferring their paycheck. the american people need to understand that congress is paid on the first of the month. so saying you're deferring your paycheck until this is solved means they're not doing anything other than waiting for their next paycheck. i looked at those that are giving their paycheck over to charity or refusing to take it altogether and that's a big difference than saying they're just deferring it. politically it's the right thing to do. i would completely disagree until she said republicans in congress. what this gets down to is harry reid and the democrats. the republicans have tried to compromise. they have tried to do everything they can to come to the table. even yesterday they went back to work after the shocking shooting took place whereas the senate democrats went home. >> without arguing the politics of this and i really do want to talk a little bit about how this informs how congress acts, though. do you think if there was less of a disconnect, zerlina, between many lawmakers, not all and their constituents in terms of just having to get by day to

day we wouldn't be in this situation? >> absolutely. if they understood that wic funding, supplemental nutrition for low income mothers. i have a family friend who can't get formula for her child because of the government shutdown. if members actually understood that domestic violence programs are losing funding, if it hit home for them, then they wouldn't shut down the government, they would keep it open because they understood the pain that americans are feeling. >> well, i guess part of the calculation here is do they pay any price for it in the long run, chris. i was thinking that if a factory worker stands at a conveyer belt and are supposed to be putting something in a box and they don't do it, they don't get paid. in fact they get fired. are members of congress going to get fired because this is, again for the second straight congress, the least productive congress in history? >> well, no, i agree. i think some will get fired. i think harry reid's comment about why should he care if kids have cancer? you'll see that over and over

again on tv coming into the fall in november. the whole thing really what this is about is obama care. i think to your pointing is if these members of congress had not exempted themselves from obama care. if they had to go through what people in california tried to do a couple days ago when not a single person could sign up because the system was not ready, if they had to deal with this and had not exempted themselves from the individual mandate, maybe they wouldn't be throwing the kind of tantrums they are about whether or not to delay obama care and wait until it's actually ready for implementation. if they had to live under obama care, maybe they might realize this isn't something american people are ready for. >> yeah, none of that about exempting themselves from obama care is true. >> it's all true. >> the president is not going to defund his own law in order to concede to members of congress who haven't negotiated for six months. i mean that whole breakdown of exempting themselves from obama care is not true. on this network -- >> right now the house republicans have passed resolution after resolution to try and fund things. >> they should not have shut down the government to win with. >> they tried to fund kids with

cancer. >> they shouldn't of shut down the government to begin with. >> the democrats said no. how does anybody say that's okay. >> how could someone shut down the government and the same kids are not getting funded because of republicans. >> all you have to do is vote on it. the republicans have passed it and said let's fund cancer research for kids and democrats have said no and that's the tantrum i'm talking about. >> thanks to both of you. i appreciate you coming in. checking the news feed this morning, president obama has cancelled the rest of his trip to asia to deal with the government shutdown. secretary of state john kerry is already in indonesia and will now take the lead at two key economic conferences. this trip particularly important because it was supposed to be a big step for the administration to build relations with interests in indonesia and burnai. pope francis visiting the hope of st. francis of assisi. he celebrated mass and held the hands of children with disabilities.

he also stood in the very room where 800 years ago st. francis, who was from a very wealthy family, renounced his possessions, took his clothes off and dedicated himself to a life of poverty and christ. interesting poll from quinnipiac university shows an overwhelming number of american catholics have a very favorable view of pope francis and then, get this number, 60% of american catholics now support same-sex marriage. new york city police say they found the motorcyclist accused of putting alexei lien out of his suv and assaulting them. they're negotiating that man's surrender. the family meantime are saying they're sorry the biker was seriously injured, but there was no other choice. in a statement his wife said he took the actions he did to protect the lives of his family. parts of the western u.s. getting hammered today by an early fall snowstorm. can you believe these pictures? montana, wyoming could see two feet of snow. there's also concern high winds could cause widespread power

outages. it could be back to 65 degrees, though, by next week. details now out about that much-anticipated twitter ipo coming soon to wall street. cnbc's mandy drury is here with what's moving your money. so how much cash are we talking about here? >> reporter: okay. well, this is what we're looking at. obviously it's the largest silicon valley ipo since facebook's ipo last year. twitter's target is to raise $1 billion, but there is some analysts out there that estimate that twitter could be worth as much as $15 billion, which is obviously just a fraction of what facebook was worth at the time of its debut. we believe it could begin trading in november but it has not revealed the u.s. exchange, the stock exchange or the nasdaq. it's only eight years old but obviously it's become a realtime communications channel where pretty much everyone from the pope we were just talking about to the president. but the thing is here that wall street wants to know can it make money. you know, show me the money.

that's always the important thing if you're going to be investing in a company and growth has been slowing down because it had an explosive expansion around the world so we need to make sure it's going to keep on bringing in the cash. >> there's another story about a social media phenomenon, instagram. they're making some changes. >> advertisements. yes, ads are coming. after saying months of saying it would experiment with advertising, instagram will begin to surface those ads in its android and ios apps. they want to build it into a sustainable business so brands and companies will be paying for the photos that will be appearing in your feed. as i say, you may not like it, but it's inevitable. >> thanks very much, mandy drury. have a great weekend. >> thank you. we are just getting word that there has been a message from house majority leader eric cantor. members have been told that the house is going to hold votes tomorrow on more of the mini

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center network evening news stories over the last two weeks have blamed the gop 21 times and blamed democrats none. >> and they're also blaming floods on water! not fire! and sunsets on the rotation of the earth, not giant feathered certa serpents who devour the sun at night. >> time for this week's "reputation report," a look at who's hot and who's not on social media. let's bring in howard bragman, vice president of reputation.com and chairman of 15 minutes public relations here with an exclusive analysis for "jansing & co." good morning, howard. very early where you are. >> we're wide awake here. >> since jon stewart set that up so nicely for us, especially talking about the republicans, what can you tell us about how that's trending on social media? >> well, i can tell you i saw the most interesting research i saw all week is that brussel

sprouts are more popular than congress, but the republicans are really taking the hit. as we've been tracking it all week, the republicans are up to 65% negative in social media. that's going down three, four, five points a day. hopefully that means at one point they will get the message that they can only go so low and they're going to hurt their re-election chances. so the republicans are way down this week, chris. >> all of this is about their determination to repeal a law that's already in place, obama care. open enrollment began this week and jimmy kimmel, a lot of people have been playing this clip a lot of the it shows you how much people don't know about it. let me play that. >> what plan do you support, obama care or the affordable care act? >> the affordable care act. >> and why do you support that over obama care. >> do not like obama care. i don't like anything that has to be forced for everybody to buy. it's just not good. >> so when you and i talked last week, obama care was trending down. is it doing any better now?

>> it actually is. you know my theory is if the republicans hate obama care and americans hate republicans, then the enemy of my enemy is my friend and they're starting to embrace obama care a little more. messages are getting out and it's trending slightly positive. not enough to be up in our up category, but certainly on the move and trending in the right direction for the president and those that want to implement the plan. >> all right. let's get away from politics and talk about -- well, i mean tv is something that has really dom -- social media goes crazy over these big tv shows. and the series finale of "breaking bad" which was actually on sunday, it's still out there. people are still going back and forth about it. what are you seeing on social media? >> i'm seeing people are going crazy. it's so rare that we have these true cultural phenomena anymore and the end of "breaking bad" was one of those things,

trending 75% positive. the numbers are huge in multiples. ten times more social media than is typical for them in the past and they always had a big social media buzz. and a lot of follow-up articles. it continues to be, people analyzing the characters, what it means for society. they're up this week. they're a true hit and we thank them for a great show and many years of great entertainment for those who were fans. >> i'm embarrassed to say i've never seen it. that's going to be my winter viewing, you know, when you just spend a whole weekend and 50 hours watching television with lots of popcorn. howard bragman, always good to see you. we'll see you back next week. >> thanks, chris. have a good weekend. today's tweet of the day comes from the hilarious jimmy fallon. quote, disney world is helping employees sign up for obama care. now sneezy is on claritin, sleepy is on adderall and grumpy is on prozac.

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we're in the mids is it of an avalanche of books, tv shows and movies marking the upcoming 50th anniversary of jfk's assassination. entering this crowded marketplace today is a new and arguably risky film, "parkland." that's the hospital where president kennedy and then just days later assassin lee harvey oswald were taken right after being shot. it tells the harrowing story through the eyes of ordinary individuals, including doctors and nurses as they were thrust into unfathomable circumstances. >> we need help here. >> it is just you. >> do something! >> doctor! it is the president. >> i know who it is. >> joining me now is the writer and director of "parkland," peter landesman. it's good to have you here. >> thank you. >> this story has been told so many times in so many ways. i said risky because i think for

people to think they're going to get something new is hard. what did you want to tell that you didn't think was out there. >> it is risky because for so long, for 50 years since this happened we've seen this only through the prism of the murder mystery, the conspiracy. there's an entire side of the story of what happened to us. it happened to us. it happened to the rookie doctor, played by zac efron brilliantly who's literally covered in the president's blood for ten minutes before anybody else walked in the room. it was about the assassin, the fbi agent, regular everyday people whose stories are profound and provocative. >> roll call, which deals in politics, said this about your movie. it's both a thriller that tells a familiar chapter of history in an incredibly original way and a tragedy of immensely personal dimensions. and i think that that really is sort of what differentiates this is i never really thought about that. for example, the man who took

the famous film, what impact it might have had on him and what impact it might have had on the doctors and the nurses. >> every person who lived has a different narrative. you the down to the american life. an american immigrant came here, scraped away his hungarian ak saengtd took the film. he knew it was going to end life as he knew it. >> i saw it at a screening, which is mostly journalists. there were grown men in this theater that were crying. and i think that that is something that makes a lot of people uncomfortable, including some critics. where do you find that line between really helping people to understand what it might have been like that day or that period of three days and sensationalizing it? >> you know, you really can't be too worried about it. i have to say an artist who worries about provocation or critics seizes up and becomes

self conscious and can't get organically what he wants to do out into the world. i think that people are uncomfortable feeling strongly. this is a movie that makes you intense and makes you feel anxious because it takes the audience and puts them in the shoes of the people who were there. it puts you in the weekend. it's shot like that. it's shot in a very contemporary style, not presentational, it doesn't feel like a period film. and the inspiration for me frankly was i was in lower manhattan on the morning of 9/11, i was working for "the new york times" magazine and i remember those first days of disorientation and panic in manhattan, as you remember. you didn't know what was coming next, you didn't know where the next bomb was going to come, the next plane was going to come. it was the same for these people and i wanted this film to take that point of view. i think some people, frankly, don't want to go through it. >> and the other thing that you do is you help us see it through the eyes of the family of lee harvey oswald which is really interesting. congratulations, peter landesman, good luck with the film and thanks for coming in. that's going to wrap up this

hour of "jansing & co." thomas roberts is up next. >> it looks like a fascinating film and a great interview. have a wonderful weekend. thanks, chris. hour 83 of the government shutdown. both sides remain stubborn as mules. who's going to budge first? the gop might be showing the first signs of flinching. roger wicker and andy harris will be here to talk about what's going on. new details about the woman killed about leading capitol police on a wild chase around washington. what motivated this young mom from connecticut to snap. pete williams will join me. and american veterans and the arts. you may not think they're a natural fit but wait until you see the success of one group we highlight for this friday's feature of go and do. we're back after this. consider this: when the storms are this powerful, the batteries had better be powerful, too. introducing duracell quantum. only duracell quantum has a hi-density core. and that means more fuel, more power, more performance than the next leading brand. so, whether you're out on the front lines

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developing right now on capitol hill, we're awaiting a news conference from house republicans. they are expected to emerge from a meeting in which they're plotting their next move with the government still being shut down. it's a much different scene this morning on capitol hill after an afternoon of chaos.

they are partially back to business. by business, we mean today, hour 83 of day four of the people's government closed and lawmakers at a stalemate. back to business with the shutdown. hi, everybody. i'm thomas roberts. even as the focus on the hill turns back to politics, the investigation continuing into why a young mom set off a chase that ended with her being gunned down and killed near the capitol. police say that 34-year-old miriam carey was from connecticut, had a history of mental issues in her background and had delusions about president obama. investigators say she tried to ram her way through a gate at the white house yesterday. she then led them on a chase around the grounds and took off towards the capitol with police on her trail, sparking off a chain of events that ended in gunfire. >> i hear boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, as the gunfire is unloading. >> cops just said get down, get behind this car and we did that. then said